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Friday, 10 August 2012

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Man acquitted of death by dangerous driving

Jersey News from ITV Channel Television - niall linden

A man charged with death by dangerous driving of Dita Paverniece has been acquitted this morning in the Royal Court.

Niall Linden was driving on St Clement's Coast Road in February last year, when his Lotus Elise is thought to have skidded out of control.

The 27 year old passenger Dita Paverniece suffered a fatal head injury.

Due to a lack of evidence, he was aquitted of causing death by dangerous driving but he did admit the lesser charge of careless driving.

He will appear before the court for sentencing on September 7th 2012.

44 comments:

  1. I am surprised they even told us he had been to court!

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  2. disgusting ,real bad .i heard the crash that night it was really loud he was shifting along .cover up i think . corrupt jersey here we are again money money money

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  3. Money had been paased on this lol He is admitting careless driving but not dangerous driving. who were the Jurats?

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  4. I think Linden is looking at some serious community service here.

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  5. The question that must be asked or answered here is the most important one. What is the difference between Dangerous Driving and Careless Driving?

    What is the difference in sentencing between these two points? This is where the deal has been done.

    Something just doesn't look right here but I believe the answer will be found between the Charges

    rs

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  6. Were the local media in court or is this just a press release? Right in the middle of the Battle of Flowers when the media is elsewhere? Did they hear the facts of the case or just repeating a release? I have asked them on twitter.

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    1. and on a Friday when most will not see the news for work and a few beers!

      They have spent some time on this one.

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  7. Ian.

    It can be called "dangerous" or "careless" driving. The fact remains that a young lady lost her life because of it. How much more do the people of Jersey have to see before the penny drops that we have got a politicised and corrupt judicial system? (IMO)

    Thoughts are with the friends and family of Miss Paverniece.

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  8. VFC, the careless driving charge negates the recklessness of the dangerous driving charge, it is, if you like, an accident rather than a crash caused by deliberate excessive speed....

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  9. How certain are you that he was the actual driver? Could be he agreed to take the charge in exchange for money , a pay-off by someone who had much more to lose than Linden. Linden could of been promised an easy go and carefully managed press. Something stinks.

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    1. This idea has been put forward before. However, if no one has the bottle to come forward with the evidence, what can any of us do?

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    2. At which point exactly was the 'switch' made? It was in the middle of the night in a residential road. It was a two seater car.

      People would have been at the crash within seconds. They would have noticed if someone else turned up, who luckily was badly injured himself, and pretended to be the driver. I believe Linden was in hospital for a few days with his own injuries? In fact the driver would likely have been in the company of many other people continuously until the police arrived. Are you suggesting that, again,somehow luckily, the crash occurred outside the houses of corruptible people?

      The switch theory just doesn't stack up.

      Once the criminal case has finished there will no doubt be a full inquest as usual. All the facts will be examined then. In the meantime all this conjecture will be doing nothing but harm to Dita's family, who probably know more about what happened then anyone here.

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  10. I think you bloggers are doing a lot, actually. If anyone does get to the bottom of this story it won't be the State Media.

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  11. Why was the car involved quickly taken away off Island?

    Normal procedure is to put it in a local compound.

    Someone with money and power within the Island desperately paid for their car to disappear, and for a non family member to take the rap?!

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  12. We could sure do with a nurse coming forward, I heard they were threatened to silence though.

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    1. nurse threatened to silence ?

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  13. How do these awful people live with themselves, just truly astonishing.

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  14. http://stuartsyvret.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-end-of-beginning.html
    "London-based lawyer" said @10 August 2012 19:16 :-

    Mr. Syvret, I'm not familiar with all of the facts in the case of the fatal motor traffic accident that's been referred to above. I did, though, quickly check some of Jersey's msm, the current ChannelOnline report in particular. Through the material published by you and other Jersey bloggers I’m developing greater and greater curiosity about Jersey’s law enforcement and judicial arrangements and culture. I’m a London-based lawyer, so have a reasonable idea of how these things should work.

    Although, on its face at least, not directly related to the other deeply concerning issues Jersey civil society is investigating, this fatal car crash seems to potentially encapsulate some of the key factors we see at play in the child abuse, conspiracy to pervert justice, misconduct in a public office, corporate manslaughter and medical murder cases that are so troubling in Jersey society.

    This can, by no means, be a definitive opinion, but it does seem to me that all elements are present to secure a conviction for causing death through dangerous driving. Which makes the decision of the Jersey prosecuting authority to accept a plea on the lesser charge appear truly remarkable.

    Consider: the accused was driving the car; there were no other vehicles involved, nor other extraneous intervening factors, such as a pedestrian suddenly in the vehicle’s path. From the footage just seen on the TV report, the vehicle was indeed extremely badly damaged, with sections of body-work ripped from the vehicle and strewn down the road. I understand your speed limit is 40mph? The vehicle was plainly going far faster than that. But, and this is the key issue, one needs not argue upon the evidence for fault on the part of the driver, because he has admitted it. He has pleaded guilty to careless driving. You thus have all of the necessary elements for securing the higher charge of causing death through dangerous driving, and to secure the conviction.

    If a person driving a car in a dangerous manner crashes that car and causes the death of a person, the driver and his defence team do not have the luxury of pleading guilty to a lesser charge of mere careless driving, if a death is involved, and has been caused by the driving in question – as is undisputed in this case.

    Simply extraordinary.

    I begin to understand why you so often use the phrase “couldn’t make it up”.

    Someone in London needs to take the Jersey prosecutors and judges gently by the hand, and introduce them to the realities of the modern world (and the rule of law, for that matter.)
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    "London-based lawyer" was assuming 40mph speed limit and is not to know that crash occurred in a 30mph residential zone at which the kinetic energy available for within the speed limit is very nearly half of that at 40mph - but would a mere 40 mph loosen her nicker elastic sufficiently for whatever "micro-dick" was behind the wheel ?

    Waste of a beautiful young life.

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  15. The lotus driven is not an ordinary car but one made of a type of fibre glass. It will not act as an ordinary car in a crash but will disintegrate on impact. The London lawyer has made the worst mistake that a lawyer can make; he or she has made an assumption without knowing the facts. Where is the evidence of a speed greater than 40 mph? I have not read that anywhere. The damage cannot be definitive of itself given the nature of the material that this car is made of.

    Ian, there are many people having theories on this, which is up to them, I am no different. However, can you justify the term 'corruption' in this particular case? I see no actual evidence of corruption, only an apparently strange decision not to proceed with a charge which people are struggling to understand.

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    1. "Where is the evidence of a speed greater than 40 mph?"

      The speed limit in this location is 30mph is it not.

      But then perhaps by your logic: Where is the evidence of a speed greater than 5 mph?
      The vehicle was being driven carefully and safely when the granite wall jumped out in front of him (as they tend to at 2am). In spite of the low speed and skillful driving a crash was unavoidable and the vehicle disintegrated on impact destroying the front, back and much of the roof and killing the girl in the passenger seat.

      Well if you do buy cheap foreign cars what do you expect ! Perhaps someone should confront Lotus with the obvious safety issues of their vehicles ?

      On the other hand this is hardly an isolated "strange decision".

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  16. Above comment at 6.33pm. Take a look again at the picture. The front end has disintegrated and the suspension ripped apart. The big lump of metal lying in the road behind the car is the engine. There is impact damage all along the near side of the car, the passenger door ripped apart, and suspension damage to the rear wheel. Other pictures show parts of the car strewn accross the road. All European vehicle have to pass impact and crash tests, and if that is what happens to a car involved in a 30 or 40mph impact, then that manufacturer would never, ever, get 'type approval'.

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    1. Perhaps the prosecution should have employed you as an crash expert then. You seem to be able to explain the laws of speed, motion, kinetic energy and impact damage just by looking at a photo.

      No need to visit the scene, no need to take measurements, no need to make calculations.

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    2. Hill street bluesAugust 12, 2012 1:21 pm

      To the nasty minded character at 6.33 and 7.04 (probably the same person).

      Remember, "you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."

      If you are the sort of mad buffoon who believes that only an expert can define reality, then you are less than worthless to the rest of us - you are a positive danger. Let us all hope you don't have an influential position with your sort of toxic twisted thinking.

      If you can't see "just by looking at (the) photo" that the impact damage was obviously caused by speed (considerably) greater than 40 mph, then you are an idiot. Your phraseology, grammar and spelling suggest that education made some mark on you, so you cannot be literally idiotic. Therefore, you must be trying to deceive with false argument and rhetoric or that strange blend of stupidity combined with misleading articulate plausibility so prevalent on the Rock. I blame the fact that so many kids locally try to be advocates, plus the inherent (im)amorality of too much of the finance industry. In order to "fit in" over here people put their sense, humanity and morals too far onto the back burner so they can get on in their careers.

      You deceitfully point out that the Elise "is not an ordinary car but one made of a type of fibre glass" but "accidentally" forget to mention that it still has a metal chassis, to which items such as the engine are attached. As the other commenter has mentioned, this vehicle type could never in a million years have passed a crash impact test if it was as prone to "disintegr(ation) on impact" as this vehicle.

      You are yet another low-life worm-tongued scum trying to defend the indefensible. Why are there so many around these days?

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    3. I think commenter @ Aug11, 2012 7:04 PM has it about right (and yes I do have relevant qualifications to form such an opinion)

      He did not say there was no need for measurements and calculations etc.- so why would you seek to put words in his mouth ?

      Wouldn't it be interesting to see the police/technical report ????????
      FOI ?
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      Jeremy Clarkson summed these cars up :- They are for breaking girls knicker elastic.

      Sadly it broke a lot more on this occasion :-(

      But don't worry yourself too much .......... the driver will get another car !
      Won't even need to save up as the taxpayer is apparently paying his costs !!!!!!
      http://therightofreply.blogspot.com/2012/08/dita-killer-gets-awarded-costs-they.html

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  17. Then there are the matters that I know about, let us see what transpires hey?

    I think Sue Pearmaine might have something to say!

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  18. If I drive at 60mph in a 30mph zone and get stopped for speeding...I wouldn't be prosecuted for dangerous driving unless there well elements present that made it 'dangerous' perse, I would be prosecuted for simple 'speeding', this is a very sad case, but it is the system that is at fault and there should be higher penalties for the offence admitted/proven.

    The Police obviously didn't have enough evidence to proceed with the 'death by dangerous driving' charge, its not rocket science....you don't charge with an offence you can't prove, you charge the lesser offence and secure a conviction.

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  19. I let that last comment (above) through just to show the utter idiocy and naivety of some people in Jersey, but it looks more like the work of one of our government lawyers :)

    There is no hope!

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  20. Wasn't something said on tv about the car being sent to be examined, as if someone was looking for a fault with the vehicle which may have caused it to crash?

    Wonder if Lotus ever got to see it?
    Yeah I know - stupid question...

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  21. Lack of evidence.What a load of shit.How about making public the report from the police about the car wreckage.Where was the wreck taken and who examined it.I'm sure any capable UK police investigators could estimate the speed of impact and i bet any money it wasn't fucking 30mph.Who investigated the wreck?Who is Niall Linden,where does he work?Was he the owner of this car?An innocent girl was killed for fuck sake,why is he being let off.This is a clear signal that the States of Jersey are sending out a message,come to Jersey,kill someone and get away with it.What a banana republic.

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  22. "How about making public the report from the police about the car wreckage."


    What! Our Police???


    That will say whatever it needs too....as per usual.

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  23. Hill street bluesAugust 12, 2012 2:25 pm

    To the lawyer/troll - here's a link that shows the results of an Elise crash (into another vehicle) at 30mph (minor damage) and another at 50-60 mph involving no impact with another vehicle with the soft top down from which the driver survived a head injury despite ending up with the vehicle upside down. click for Elise pix

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  24. Anon,

    Who has just sent me a comment which hasn't been published yet, do you have any proof of your claim?

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  25. Again

    Same commenter, do you have any proof about Jon as I can't publish without something to back it up.

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  26. This case is frightening. A young and beautiful girl loses her life and there is no 'evidence'? Could you honestly see this happening in the UK - not for a second. There is money behind this judgement and personally, I believe that one day that man will be haunted by it. I believe he has left the island and can carry on with his life. Not a choice for the young girl involved.

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  27. We don't even think he was driving!!!

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    1. was his dad highly respectrd hotel owner

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    2. I have asked that question and it appears not.

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    3. He is from Northern Ireland.

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    4. I have to say I am surprised that no one has followed this story further. There are a lot of details which have been missed. I have sons and if any one of them did this, I would not stop loving them but I would want to see them paying their debt to society. If I was that poor girls's parent, I would want to see justice done.

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  28. We are awaiting sentencing, when this happens, the level of outrage shall be determined by the responses. from that we can then determine who has a gripe!

    Deta's father has my email address, let us measure the outrage first.

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  29. The verdict and fine has left me reeling. This girl's death has got to be investigated. If she was the daughter of a wealthy banker, Mr Linden would not be walking free.

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